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Anton Yelchin as Max in Burying the Ex |
Sunday morning saw the tragic death of actor Anton Yelchin in a freak motor accident. Born in Saint Petersburg, Russia, in 1989, Yelchin was six months old when his family moved to the United States. Starting as a child actor, he went on to appear in films including Like Crazy, Only Lovers Left Alive, and Green Room. Next month he will be seen playing Chekov, for the third time, in Star Trek: Beyond.
I had the pleasure of meeting Yelchin at the Venice film festival, in 2014, when he was promoting Joe Dante's horror comedy, Burying the Ex. He was friendly, intelligent, and full of enthusiasm for the job he loved. Below is the full text of my unpublished interview.
Before this you appeared in the remake of Fright Night. Is Horrror a genre you
enjoy?
“Yeah.
I think they're both films, to a certain extent, about films. But
this specifically, the reason I was drawn to it was because of Joe.
You know, you get a script and it's like, 'Okay, it's a film that Joe
Dante would've made and he's making it', as opposed to some other guy
who's making it and he's going to try to make a Joe Dante movie and it just
won't be as good. So that is what I
responded to.”
It
looks like an old school horror film.
“Super
old school B-film. It is at once old school but the difference is
that it knows it is. Something Joe said at the
press conference is he wanted to make a movie about movies because he
likes making movies about movies because he loves movies. (I don't
know how I got that out in one breath. Mm, what an idiot.) So the
film, for me, what's special about it, yes it plays with all the
elements of the old school picture, but it becomes a film – and I
think a lot of Joe's films become about this – about identity and
our identity as a spectator watching a film, and that vicious circle. You know, whether when we
leave the theatre we live out genre films in our own lives, or whether we do things because we've seen them in
movies, or movies do them because they've seen us do them. It begs a
very interesting question about our identity and how to transgress
being an object of a genre. That's what Max [his character] is. He's an object of the
zombie movie but he's also the object of a zombie girlfriend, and he
has to face both. He has to get rid of the zombie girlfriend and get
rid of the zombie movie, and yet he's still in a movie! There's a lot
of interesting things that are very Joe Dante.”
People have been saying it only took two weeks to make. Is that true?
“This
film? I would say three and a half, maybe. It was really short. I
would love to spin this myth we did it in two weeks but even three
and a half or four is very short. I mean four weeks of shooting time
is 20 days. Do you know what I mean? We don't shoot
six-day weeks. Twenty days is like nothing. So it was tough.”
What
does it mean for you?
“It
means you don't sleep as much. You shoot eight or nine pages a day.
You run around like crazy. I feel really lucky because I have made
movies, or been able to be on sets, work on films since I was a
little kid, and I love, like, film energy. Film people are so weird
and I always look around and think, 'What a weird thing to be doing. And we're all so nuts. Like we've been here all day and it's probably
like three in the morning but I'm inside so I don't actually know
what time it is.' So just the shortening makes things crazier.”
Did
Joe Dante talk about his work and movies a lot?
“Joe doesn't talk about himself or his film philosophy or
anything. I'm like the irritating student that's trying to get him to say
things.”
Did
he get you to watch movies of Roger Corman, Mario Bava?
“Oh
yeah! Joe loves Mario Bava. His favourite film is Lisa and the
Devil. The way I watch movies when I try to study them, is I
watch them by decade or by person or filmmaker or cinematographer.
So it's going to take me a minute to get to Mario Bava. It's going to
take me a minute to get to the '60s. I'm still in the '20s. But I love Roger Corman movies. I'm sure I'd love Mario Bava
films as well, but I just haven't seen them. There's that great Corman film with Jack Nicholson and Boris Karloff where I think he'd
shot something and then he was like, 'Well we still have this set, so
let's shoot this other movie.' Jack Nicholson retired after that to write screenplays, and then went
back to acting. So that tells you something about the movie. It's a
great film, The Terror.”
Vegas
are seen as weird in Burying the Ex. What do you think of Vegans and Veganism?
“Look,
I don't discriminate against Vegans. I think, though, in our culture
there's this PC culture and you're told to behave and do certain
things because that is the status quo. And the worst thing
about it, I think, is the status quo used to be a thing that you
could fight, because you'd say it's conservative, it's this, it's
that. But now the status quo is Vegans and Toms [an ethical canvas shoe
brand]. There's a great Slavoj Zizek lecture about Toms, and
the bullshit of Toms. You're told to buy a $50 pair of shoes and one
pair's going to go to some kid that likely needs better water, better
education, and instead he's going to have a pair of trendy shoes. And
that seems to me to be the biggest danger with Veganism, that it
becomes not, 'Oh I actually care about my body, I care about the
environment, and this is actually important to me', but it becomes,
'I want Veganism to become part of my identity.' Now the line is very
blurry, I think, between the two. I think sometimes we think we're
doing it for genuine reasons when we're not. So for me the problem
obviously isn't Vegans. It's this PC Vegan culture where everyone's
gluten free, everyone goes to Whole
Foods. It's like do everything correctly, vote for Obama, be Left, be
all these things, but at heart you're just as conservative and
driven by consumerism as everyone else, and that is the problem.”
You
have a lot of new films coming up. Is there one that you're
especially excited about showing people?
“I
get excited when I see all the different characters I've got to play.
I feel very lucky to have been in all these different worlds. But in
terms of showing someone something and saying, 'This is a film . . .', I don't
ever really have much control over the actual film so I either like
or dislike it, like or dislike my work. I go to work on the film but I don't see it until later. So I'm in
the same boat as you and everyone else.”
You
were in a Punk band, I read.
“Yeah,
I had a Punk band. We sucked, which I think is part of being a Punk
band. You kind of have to be a little shitty. But we were like a
little too shitty. We were over-shitty. You can be shitty but sound
good. We were like, 'These guys are just kind of shitty.' It was like
that fine line between bad-good and just bad.'”
You play music in the movie Rudderless. Do you get something different from playing music and acting?
“Um,
I don't take music as seriously as I do film. I take music seriously
in the sense that sound is a part of film. At home when I play music
I mostly am trying to work on sound designs and atmosphere. I'm not saying I don't think actors should also play
music. My friend Chris [Mintz-Plasse] is very much into his band, The
Young Rapscallions and tours. But I don't like
saying I'm a musician because I think that then takes away from real
musicians. I think they deserve the respect of saying, 'You're a real
musician.' I like making music for fun. I've had guitars since I was
a little kid. Always enjoyed it. It was very cool to be playing
guitar in Rudderless. But at the same time I was next to Ben Kweller,
who is a musician, and you know when you see a musician and a
non-musician. Here's actors trying to play music and here's a
musician.”
So
how did you feel next to him?
“I
just faked it, man. I'm an actor, I fake it. And I felt good. I felt
comfortable in the sense I was telling myself to feel comfortable.
Was I really comfortable, realistically? Am I as good a musician as
the real guy in the movie? No. Should I be saying this? Are they
trying to say we're all brilliant? I don't know. Maybe I just spoiled
their whole publicity campaign. But the truth is it was a challenge
and that's what was exciting. I had to pretend to be [a musician]. And not just
pretend, because we recorded a lot of the parts, so there was a lot of
sitting around learning the riffs, doing all the harmonies, the vocal
parts and all that. It was really challenging. It was like really playing musicians.”
How
do you work as an actor?
“A
process that I am inspired by is becoming intimate with things that
move you and you know are related to what you are doing. But they're
not like fake emotions. I use films to help me understand characters,
poems, anything. I draw from it and I'm getting more and more excited
because of research I've done on Nicolas Cage, like when he was
younger, especially, and the weird ways he would rehearse for roles. I
remember reading he had an audition for something and he stared at a
photo of Charles Bronson for a week, or two days straight, without
leaving his room. I think that really helps and
I've been using that more and more. Silent film performance. German
Expressionist performances. Expressionism in general is very
interesting. Painting. Anything. Everything is open to be drawn from
and emulated in your work. I think it makes you more free and
experimental. You might fuck up, you might go too far, but that's
worth it. It's worth going too far. Vampire's Kiss
is brilliant.”
You
started as a child actor. What was the point when you realised that
you could make it your profession?
“My
parents are figure skaters, and they're incredible athletes, and I
am, to say the least, the exact opposite of that. So they were trying
to get me to do sports and stuff and it wasn't happening. I was
trying my best, it just wasn't happening. And then I went to this
acting class, because a friend of ours, Elya Baskin, said, 'Take your
son to a class, he might like it, because he clearly isn't into
sports,' and I loved it. It just went that way. I never intended it
to be a career. I don't think my parents intended it to be a career,
they just wanted me to be busy. They were busy from a young age
skating, so they were like, 'You're not going to sit on your ass and
watch TV. You're going to do something. Sports. Extracurricular
anything.' And then I just kept going. Even though in senior year I had already worked at
that point for almost 10 years, I still applied to college and went
to college and sat my SAT's and tried to get good grades. It was sort
of mostly like my parents saying, when I was little, 'Yeah this is
okay that you're doing this thing. Just remember, you're going to be
a lawyer.' I was like, 'Er, alright.'”
Did
they drive you quite hard? I imagine that coming from the world of
sport they'd have been disciplined people.
“Yeah,
I think one of the biggest gifts my parents have given me is the
discipline they have given me. It's like the biggest gift on set, I
realised. Like showing up on time. Knowing what your job is and
respecting your job. By virtue of your job respecting the people
around you. And respecting yourself by knowing this is a thing you
have to do. And there's a sort of odd thing between experimentalism
and discipline. They seem to be at odds but they're not, really. I
think Nicolas Cage is an incredible example. The man is
extraordinarily disciplined - I was blown away by the man's
discipline – but incredibly experimental. And the discipline allows
the experiment to happen. So I'm so grateful to my folks that I was
told, like, 'No, if you say you're going to do this you do your job.
You work hard and you don't fuck off, basically, just because you
think you can.' So I'm grateful for that.”
Would
you like to work in any other areas of film?
“I've
been writing for a while and I would like to make films, direct
films. That is what I would ideally like to do. Tiny films so no one
can tell me what to do. I really mean that. It's harder to make
movies the less money you have but then less people are breathing
down your neck. So I would just like to work on films. It would be
amazing to direct. I think I would focus on how people understand
themselves in the face of constructions that we live through.”
Do
you feel as free on a big film like Star Trek
as do on something small like Burying the Ex
or Like Crazy?
“I
do, actually. The character Chekov I play is such a broad, fun
character, it's almost expected I'm going to feel free. After we did
the first one I was saying, 'Oh alright, this is the kind of
performance I gave.' So for the second one I was like, 'Well you've
established it so now you can't just drop it, you have to keep up
that thing.' So I do feel free. I feel like I got lucky that I got in
a studio film that allows me to indulge the things I do anyway.”
Were
you nervous about essaying such a well-known character?
“Sure.
I respect Walter Koenig's work a lot because it's a huge part of pop
culture and I want to make sure there is
continuity between the old and the new, and dialogue between the two.
And I'm fortunate because there's so much to have dialogue with.”
I
know you hate when people call you a Russian actor.
“I
don't like it much, I'm not.”
But
you went there and made the t.A.T.u.
film, You
and I,
and I wondered whether you felt any connection to the country?
“You
know it's funny. I didn't really. I wanted to work with Roland Joffe
and I wanted to go to Russia, so it seemed like a good adventure. But I
feel a strong connection with the fact that this was a festival of
Tarkovsky's first film it came to, you know? That I feel a real
connection with. Part of me exists in that world. And I have been
raised to think about certain things a certain way, and that I feel a
connection to. Like I watch Tarkovsky films and I feel a connection.
And that's probably just because Tarkovsky is incredible. And he is
so incredible that we as humans connect to him and what he is putting
out there. Whether you're Italian, German, Russian, Jamaican it
doesn't matter. Tarkovsky's Tarkovsky just like Pasolini is
Pasolini or Fellini's Fellini. You relate because they're amazing.
"Also I do feel some connection when I read Russian literature like
Daniil Kharms. Some of it has to do with I know a lot of the history
from my parents about the Soviet regime, the effect it had on several
generations. The generation of the Revolution, the generation after.
My parents will be the fourth generation, they're from the '60s,
my grandparents will be the war generation. So I feel a lot of
connection and am moved by the knowledge of a horrible, repressive
experiment that hurt so many people. I connect to that. I feel that.”
Your family's Jewish. Did
part of your parents' decision to leave Russia have anything to do with
antisemitism?
“Yeah,
because they didn't want me to grow up being Jewish there they moved
to the States.”
Jews
had and often still have more limited choices there.
“Well
I'd have got the shit beat out of me, realistically, as many children
of my parents' friends did growing up. I don't know what the level of
antisemitism is in Russia at the moment, I haven't been since we did
press for Trek
there. But that was a big part of why they left.”
I
was there in 1980 and I spoke to a Jewish tourist guide who said her
daughter couldn't go to certain schools, etc.
“Well
the nationality on the passport would say Jewish. You'd
get that, you'd feel that, and that's something I'm horrified by and
hurt by and insulted by. Even though really, because I grew up in the
States since I was six months old, in LA you don't get a lot of that.
Sure, you get bigotry everywhere, but you don't get it bad. There's
every kind of person on the face of the Earth in LA. I don't feel it
but I am very sensitive to it as a result of that.”
Anton Yelchin, March 11, 1989 - June 19, 2016